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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

section 6/10ème type câble téléphonique

English translation:

0.6 mm diameter telephone cable

Added to glossary by Tony M
May 14, 2011 15:53
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French term

section 6/10ème type câble téléphonique

French to English Tech/Engineering Telecom(munications) For a door entry system
This comes in the following list:

Connexion de la platine de rue au combiné interne
• De 0 à 25m -> Utiliser un câble de section 6/10ème type câble téléphonique
• De 25m à 50m -> Utiliser un câble de section 0.75mm²
• De 50m à 100m -> Utiliser un câble de section 1.5mm²

It looks like a 'un cable de section 6/10ème..." is equivalent to a 0.6mm cable (for up to 25m of cable).

Can anyone confirm?

Thanks,
David
Proposed translations (English)
5 +1 oui , 0.6 mm
Change log

May 17, 2011 13:35: silvester55 changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/720391">David Howard's</a> old entry - "section 6/10ème type câble téléphonique"" to ""oui , 0.6 mm""

May 17, 2011 13:54: Tony M changed "Edited KOG entry" from "<a href="/profile/1364984">silvester55's</a> old entry - "section 6/10ème type câble téléphonique"" to ""0.6 mm diameter ""

Discussion

jojojo Sep 18, 2016:
hi im looking for this type of cable please i need helppppp

n° caracteristiques unites specifications
ame conducteur :

1 conducteur , cuivre
2 composition mm 1*0,6
3 diametre mm 0,6
4 resistanse kg/mm^2 27
5 allogement a la rupture % 25
envloppe isolante:

1 composition pvc antistatique
2 epaisseur mm 0,375
3 diametre (ame +gainage) mm 1,35
4 essai au defilement a sec a 20 c Ω cm 10^10 a 2,10^12
5 durete shore 85
6 couleur rouge verte et bleu
Tony M May 17, 2011:
..."why they haven't used uniform measurements..." Possibly because it is generally European practice to express cables in terms of x-sectional area (in the UK, used to be in sq. inches, now everywhere in mm²) — which is however difficult to measure directly — whereas US practice has always been to measure in terms of diameter, or various derivative measurements like SWG, AWG, etc.

And since much of the standardization work in the telecoms field has been carried out in the US or Japan, I think that possibly goes some way to explaining why cables specifically in that field tend to follow US/JP conventions.
David Howard (asker) May 17, 2011:
Client confirmation Hi guys,

Just to say a big thank you for this very helpful discussion. I haven't been ignoring you, I emailed the client for clarification and they replied this morning with "dia"! The Siemens reference is particularly helpful and confirms this. I still don't quite understand why they haven't used uniform measurements in the original text. But hey, who am I to argue with the client!

Thanks again,
David
silvester55 May 15, 2011:
page 81of 86 conductor comparison awg metric
http://www.leoni-industrial-projects.com/uploads/tx_download...
silvester55 May 15, 2011:
ridiculous translations last part of your entry made me laugh , a few times i've answered to questions relying on " bad translation" texts , and the result was TERRIBLE , LOL .Now I'm more careful .
Tony M May 15, 2011:
Diameter Having now looked into this further, I'm tedning to agree with Silvester, that it is indeed 0.6 mm diameter. The source text is rather unhelpful in the way it uses 'section' to refer to both diameter and cross-sectional area, but this usage is not uncommon in FR; it might be helpful to consider section = gauge to avoid getting stuck into one notion, as I rather did!

0.6 mm diameter seems to lie somewhere between 22 and 23 AWG (between 0.33 and 0.26 mm²), which is a perfectly reasonable size for this type of cable.

As Silvester says, that Siemens reference seems reasonably reliable — even though they are often translated (this one seems to be from DE), I've generally found Siemens documentation to be pretty trustworthy, unlike certain other major international manufacturers who ought to be ashamed of themselves.
silvester55 May 15, 2011:
Tony hello again.Believe me I know nothing when it comes to cables or electricity .But I was quite sure of 6/10ème = 6mm dia , so I kept looking .The siemens link doesn't seem to be a bad translated one , and they specify 0.6mm dia and the rest mm² .Let's wait for David to check it out .
Tony M May 15, 2011:
area vs. diameter The problem is that a 0.6 mm diameter cable works out at around 0.3 mm², which doesn't seem quite consistent with the other two cables in the list — or is it?
silvester55 May 14, 2011:
Max. perm. cable lengths Copper cable 0.6 mm dia. Copper cable 1 mm2 Copper cable 1.5 mm2
50 m 150 m 300 m
Cable lengths for the measuring signal U1, U2

http://cn.siemens.com/cms/cn/English/SBT/downloading/HVAC_Pr...
silvester55 May 14, 2011:
@ David please check the link , type 0.75 or 0.6
silvester55 May 14, 2011:
here it is www.elbotechnology.nl/external/.../1072-19A%20Installation.pdf
in 3 languages ( german, italian , En) .
it is indeed 0.6mm and the others mm² ( I found the ² on my keyboard)
David Howard (asker) May 14, 2011:
Thank you all for your suggestions and contributions. Just to clarify, it does refer to the same cable as the others, which I think the list shows. I'll wait to hear clarification on whether it's mm2 or diameter. Thanks again, David
silvester55 May 14, 2011:
found it !!!!!!!!!! will just post it in a minute
Tony M May 14, 2011:
The problem... is that your example of 0.6 mm [post @ 19:14] refers to a thickness; and yes, I quite agree with you that 0.6 mm is commonly used in relation to phone cables; my only concern is that n/10e is commonly used when referring to thickness or gauge, but I've never personally encountered it referring to cross-sectional area — yet all the indications here are that it should be 0.6 mm².
So I'd just feel happier if we could find some solid, native FR refs. indicating unambiguously this term used to express an area...
silvester55 May 14, 2011:
6/10ème dans ma recherche google , j'ai trouvé que les mesures des cables telephoniques étaient en /10ème .
Dans le texte de David , dans la première ligne seulement il y a mention de " type cable telephonique " .Et si les deux suivants étaient d'un autre genre ?Ce qui expliquerait la difference .
silvester55 May 14, 2011:
@ Tony read this and check the link , you know these things more than I do ( page 22 ):
2, L'épaisseur de l'enveloppe isolante des conducteurs de 0.75 mm2 peut ëtre réduite à 0,6 rnm si
les conducteurs sont revêtus d'une tresse textile ou d'un revêtement équivalent.
Copyright International
http://gjbz.ugcn.cn/国外标准/国际标准/20100225/2/IEC 60245-5.pdf
Tony M May 14, 2011:
The problem as I see it... David, is that the latter 2 list items are very clearly cross-sectional area (as is usual in EN for describing cable sizes), whereas the first sounds more like a diameter — I personally have not encountered 6/10e used to refer to anything other than a thickness / gauge measurement, for example.

Yet it would be more logical in your list if this were indeed referring to the x-sectional area — but then why did the writer choose to express it in this different way? Perhaps simply because one wouldn't want to say 75/100e or 15/10e...

Proposed translations

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oui , 0.6 mm

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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-05-14 18:12:04 GMT)
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Pour une sonnette avec interphone : passez un câble à 6 fils (3 paires) de section 6/10ème pour une longueur de 25m, et de section 0.75mm² pour 50m, 1mm² pour 100m.
Pour un automatisme de portail, prévoyez de même un câble de 3 paires ainsi que d'une l'alimentation 220V : trois fils de section 2.5 mm² pour les moteurs (Ph, N, Terre).
Les câbles de 2 ou 3 paires sont en général vendus à la coupe dans les magasins grand public (10F/m) alors qu'il sont vendus en rouleau dans les magasins de grossistes en électricité (ex : 140F pour 100m de 3 paires 6/10ème).

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Note added at 2 hrs (2011-05-14 18:13:47 GMT)
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Les modèles courants ont de 2 à 5 conducteurs, de section 1,5 à 6 mm².

Ne pas confondre ce type de câble rigide avec les câbles souples ! N'utilisez en aucun cas les câbles souples pour réaliser une installation électrique. Ils ne servent que pour relier les apparails mobiles à leurs prises.
Peer comment(s):
agree Tony M : But watch out! It seems as if they might be talking about 0.6 mm diameter, whereas the rest are being expressed in mm² — may need to seek clarification on this point! / Not wrong, just inconsistent with rest of list (0.6 mm² = logical ; 0.6 mm dia NOT)
2 mins
Don't worry I'm still looking , if it's wrong i'll hide my answer .usually i know 6/10ème is a diameter size , but i'm checking if it could be square.
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