Glossary entry (derived from question below)
French term or phrase:
ordinaire conformiste
English translation:
usually marked by conventions
Added to glossary by
Laura Bennett
May 14, 2011 14:06
13 yrs ago
French term
United Kingdom
ordinaire conformiste
French to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
Description of a Portrait
This comes from a description of a portrait of the Queen of Spain Maria Luisa by Francisco Goya. The phrase is:
"Dans ce portrait officiel (un genre d’ordinaire conformiste) Marie-Louise se présente....."
I'm not sure if I'm missing something obvious here but I'm struggling to work out the sense of what they're trying to get at.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
"Dans ce portrait officiel (un genre d’ordinaire conformiste) Marie-Louise se présente....."
I'm not sure if I'm missing something obvious here but I'm struggling to work out the sense of what they're trying to get at.
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 5 +4 | usually marked by conventions |
Dieezah
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| 4 | ordinarily a conventional art form |
cc in nyc
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| 4 -1 | usually in a conventional style |
Euqinimod (X)
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| 4 -1 | a style usually conventional |
silvester55
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Proposed translations
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usually marked by conventions
a genre usually marked by conventions
a genre generally known for its customary rules
It just implies that the portrait, being an official one, has been painted in a rather extravagant style as far as official royal portraits went in those times...
a genre generally known for its customary rules
It just implies that the portrait, being an official one, has been painted in a rather extravagant style as far as official royal portraits went in those times...
Reference:
Peer comment(s):
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Helen Shiner
: usually a conventional genre
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Thanks !
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Yvonne Gallagher
: prefer Helen's wording:-)
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So many ways to say the same one thing... Thanks !
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Evans (X)
: Prefer Helen's wording too
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Thanks !
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B D Finch
: A genre that is usually conventional?//Yes, one of the rules was to flatter the sitter and Goya certainly managed to cleverly get away with breaking that one!
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well, there used to be a set of specific rules regarding those royal portraits so you could say that....
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I certainly didn’t think this question would give rise to such vigorous debate! In the end I went with "usually a conventional genre". Just to add my two cents to the debate about the use of the word genre, I agree with Helen that it was really the only choice here. Art form might have been an alternative, but style would definitely not have worked. Thank you to everyone who submitted and answer or a discussion comment!"
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a style usually conventional
two different meanings :
1- d'un genre ordinaire conformiste
2-un genre d'ordinaire conformiste
1- d'un genre ordinaire conformiste
2-un genre d'ordinaire conformiste
20 mins
French term (edited):
un genre d'ordinaire conformiste
ordinarily a conventional art form
For "un genre d'ordinaire conformiste," my suggestion is "ordinarily a conventional art form."
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The Wiki for "portait painting" describes it as a "genre in painting." Some artists followed the conventions and didn't add much; "Spanish painter Francisco de Goya painted some of the most searching and provocative images of the period..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_painting#19th_century
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Or "usually a conventional art form.
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Note added at 2 days10 mins (2011-05-16 14:17:09 GMT)
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Additional references for "art form":
• "By the mid-eighteenth century, portraiture was firmly fixed as the predominant art form in the American colonies." http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/amwing/html/el_amwing_intro...
• "Portraiture was by far the most prevalent art form among itinerant painters in the American northeast." https://www.metmuseum.org/explore/AmericanFolk/Folk13.htm
• "...portraiture was mainly a public art form"
http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/genres/portrait-art.htm
• "Gian Lorenzo Bernini [...] transformed the portrait bust into a groundbreaking art form." http://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/bernini/
• "Types of Art Form: Portrait [...] Portraiture [...]" http://www.fm.coe.uh.edu/resources/portrait_detectives/pd_vo...
• "Portraiture, an equally ancient art form, has recently stirred renewed interest."
http://brugesfineart.com/-_genre__portraiture
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Note added at 25 mins (2011-05-14 14:32:06 GMT)
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The Wiki for "portait painting" describes it as a "genre in painting." Some artists followed the conventions and didn't add much; "Spanish painter Francisco de Goya painted some of the most searching and provocative images of the period..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portrait_painting#19th_century
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Note added at 27 mins (2011-05-14 14:34:04 GMT)
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Or "usually a conventional art form.
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Note added at 2 days10 mins (2011-05-16 14:17:09 GMT)
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Additional references for "art form":
• "By the mid-eighteenth century, portraiture was firmly fixed as the predominant art form in the American colonies." http://www.metmuseum.org/explore/amwing/html/el_amwing_intro...
• "Portraiture was by far the most prevalent art form among itinerant painters in the American northeast." https://www.metmuseum.org/explore/AmericanFolk/Folk13.htm
• "...portraiture was mainly a public art form"
http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/genres/portrait-art.htm
• "Gian Lorenzo Bernini [...] transformed the portrait bust into a groundbreaking art form." http://www.getty.edu/art/exhibitions/bernini/
• "Types of Art Form: Portrait [...] Portraiture [...]" http://www.fm.coe.uh.edu/resources/portrait_detectives/pd_vo...
• "Portraiture, an equally ancient art form, has recently stirred renewed interest."
http://brugesfineart.com/-_genre__portraiture
Peer comment(s):
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B D Finch
: Not really an "art form", that would rather be e.g. painting, sculpture, installation, video.
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Discussion
Treating official portraits as an "art form" seems a bit overblown, especially if you're going to dismiss that "art form" as boring.
I would probably use "a generally conventional genre".
As for trusting Internet sources, the word "expereince" shows up 1,610,000 times in google, but in my boring experience, expereince is not the correct spelling for all those boring things I've done. ;-))
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Art_genres
Though one should not confuse this with 'genre painting' per se, which oddly is one of the genres.