Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Jun 29, 2007 14:48
16 yrs ago
Portuguese term
United States
Go with the Pro (also an Agronomist)
Native in: Portuguese (Variant: Brazilian) 
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English, Spanish to Portuguese
passado
Portuguese to English
Science
Agriculture
Citrus cropping
I need an adjective in English to express that something is "passado", in the sense that it has reached a point beyond maturity and has lost its pleasant taste.
My text says that when oranges remain on the tree beyond the point when they should be harvested, their juice becomes "passado", meaning it tastes unpleasant because of low acidity.
Can I use "stale" in this situation? Or would "vapid" be a better option? I think the latter term is not frequently used and is probably unsuitable, but who am I to say?
Thanks for any suggestions or comments.
Preciso de um adjetivo em inglês para expressar que algo está "passado", no sentido de que está além da maturidade e perdeu o sabor agradável.
Meu texto diz que quando laranjas permanecem no pé além do ponto em que devem ser colhidas, o suco resultante fica "passado", isto é, o sabor é desagradável porque houve perda de acidez.
Pode-se usar "stale" nesse caso? Ou seria melhor "vapid"? Acho que este último é um termo pouco usado e inadequado, mas quem sou eu para achar?
Agradeço qualquer sugestão ou comentário.
My text says that when oranges remain on the tree beyond the point when they should be harvested, their juice becomes "passado", meaning it tastes unpleasant because of low acidity.
Can I use "stale" in this situation? Or would "vapid" be a better option? I think the latter term is not frequently used and is probably unsuitable, but who am I to say?
Thanks for any suggestions or comments.
Preciso de um adjetivo em inglês para expressar que algo está "passado", no sentido de que está além da maturidade e perdeu o sabor agradável.
Meu texto diz que quando laranjas permanecem no pé além do ponto em que devem ser colhidas, o suco resultante fica "passado", isto é, o sabor é desagradável porque houve perda de acidez.
Pode-se usar "stale" nesse caso? Ou seria melhor "vapid"? Acho que este último é um termo pouco usado e inadequado, mas quem sou eu para achar?
Agradeço qualquer sugestão ou comentário.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 | insipid |
Amy Duncan (X)
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| 5 +1 | overripe |
Ben Kohn
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| 3 | loses its fresh taste |
Muriel Vasconcellos
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| 3 -1 | stale |
Denise Miranda
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Proposed translations
3 hrs
Selected
insipid
Rex: First, you have to remember that sugar is a part of Brix, but Brix is not sugar. If you go back and study a few later BrixTalk posts, you may spot the place where I commented on the "insipid" label used in Florida to address overly ripe oranges that had stayed on the tree too long. Taste is far more than just sugar. There are acids, flavonoids, aminos, antioxidants, oils and who knows what else involved. If the tree is in poor soil and does not have adequate resources to create what I call "goodies," that does not mean the leaves will cease making sugar and if the fruit remains on the tree past proper harvest time that sugar will accumulate.
http://www.westonaprice.org/farming/nutrient-dense.html
Other options: tasteless, lose their taste, etc.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2007-06-29 18:01:32 GMT)
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Citrus is harvested by hand. At this point, there have not been any widely accepted methods of mechanical harvest. The time of harvest is dictated by the market or in some cases by legal maturity standards. Citrus is more forgiving than some other crops in that harvesting can be delayed somewhat and fruit quality is not decreased too much by the extra time on the tree. This varies with variety. However, if fruit are left on the tree too long, quality deteriorates as acid levels decrease and the taste becomes insipid.
http://www.answers.com/topic/cit-rus
http://www.westonaprice.org/farming/nutrient-dense.html
Other options: tasteless, lose their taste, etc.
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Note added at 3 hrs (2007-06-29 18:01:32 GMT)
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Citrus is harvested by hand. At this point, there have not been any widely accepted methods of mechanical harvest. The time of harvest is dictated by the market or in some cases by legal maturity standards. Citrus is more forgiving than some other crops in that harvesting can be delayed somewhat and fruit quality is not decreased too much by the extra time on the tree. This varies with variety. However, if fruit are left on the tree too long, quality deteriorates as acid levels decrease and the taste becomes insipid.
http://www.answers.com/topic/cit-rus
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks to all respondents, particularly to Amy. I decided to use a combination of "insipid" and "off" (off-flavored) in my context."
-1
16 mins
Denise Miranda
Native in Portuguese
Reliability and Accuracy
Native in: Portuguese
Works in: English to Portuguese, Portuguese to English
stale
Stale sounds good to me. Vapid é mais apropriado para "sem gosto", sem graça.
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Ben Kohn
: Hmm, to me stale implies having lost its freshness or taste, usually due to contact with air (stale bread). A stale juice would be one that had gone off after having been produced and left out the fridge or something like that.
37 mins
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| disagree |
Lumen (X)
: Stale is more used for bread/cake/pastries, not for juice.
14 hrs
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+1
5 mins
overripe
for fruit, we say overripe. ;)
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Note added at 29 mins (2007-06-29 15:17:34 GMT)
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Henrique, sorry, I can't think of a specific adjective we would use for juice. There may be one but I can't remember using or seeing it.
I think I would say: When the oranges are left on the tree until they reach the point of being harvested, the resulting juice is adversely affected due to the ripeness/overripeness of the fruit.
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Note added at 29 mins (2007-06-29 15:17:34 GMT)
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Henrique, sorry, I can't think of a specific adjective we would use for juice. There may be one but I can't remember using or seeing it.
I think I would say: When the oranges are left on the tree until they reach the point of being harvested, the resulting juice is adversely affected due to the ripeness/overripeness of the fruit.
5 hrs
Muriel Vasconcellos
United States
United States
Native in English
Works in field
United States
Each translation a gem!
Native in: English (Variant: US) 
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English
Related KudoZ points
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76
loses its fresh taste
Since you didn't give us context, we don't know how the word occurs in your project, but you migiht be able to rephrase the sentence.
Another possibility might be "becomes bitter," from the following example, but it's not quite the same because it's about time lapse after it's squeezed.
Navel oranges can be juiced for immediate consumption, but **navel orange juice becomes bitter after a few hours**. With the exception of navel, ...
aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/Citrus/oranges.htm
Another possibility might be "becomes bitter," from the following example, but it's not quite the same because it's about time lapse after it's squeezed.
Navel oranges can be juiced for immediate consumption, but **navel orange juice becomes bitter after a few hours**. With the exception of navel, ...
aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/Citrus/oranges.htm
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