Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
solidarisch
English translation:
solidarity-based
Added to glossary by
Craig Meulen
Apr 9, 2015 10:49
9 yrs ago
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German term
United Kingdom
solidarisch
German to English
Social Sciences
International Org/Dev/Coop
einen solidarischen Ansatz zur Unterstützung von Gewalt betroffenen Menschen
Is there an _adjective_ I can use in English which more or less conveys the same meaning as this?
It's a women's organisation which works in post-conflict areas and trains local NGO female staff to work with female victims of violence - so the "solidarisch" here reflects i.a. the opposite of a "top-down, foreign-expert-helps-poor-victim" approach.
I have inner lexical police preventing my fingers from typing the word "solidaric" or "solidary" as I'm pretty convinced I have never read those words in an English book...
I've re-written several instances of the word to allow for the use of the noun "solidarity", but there are several sentences which are so fully packed and complex that I can hardly build in an additional noun phrase without distracting from the existing ones and so my life would be much easier if I found an adjective!!
Is there an _adjective_ I can use in English which more or less conveys the same meaning as this?
It's a women's organisation which works in post-conflict areas and trains local NGO female staff to work with female victims of violence - so the "solidarisch" here reflects i.a. the opposite of a "top-down, foreign-expert-helps-poor-victim" approach.
I have inner lexical police preventing my fingers from typing the word "solidaric" or "solidary" as I'm pretty convinced I have never read those words in an English book...
I've re-written several instances of the word to allow for the use of the noun "solidarity", but there are several sentences which are so fully packed and complex that I can hardly build in an additional noun phrase without distracting from the existing ones and so my life would be much easier if I found an adjective!!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +2 | solidarity-based |
Alison MacG
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| 4 +6 | an expression of solidarity |
Susan Welsh
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| 5 | solidary |
Danik 2014
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| 3 +1 | victim-centered (approach) |
Michael Martin, MA
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| 3 | sincere |
Ramey Rieger (X)
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| 2 | supportive |
gangels (X)
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Proposed translations
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4 hrs
Alison MacG
United Kingdom
United Kingdom
Native in English
United Kingdom
Patents and related material specialist
Native in: English (Variants: Scottish, UK, British) 
Works in: German to English, French to English, Swedish to English, and 4 more.
Related KudoZ points
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8
Selected
solidarity-based
See discussion (links also reproduced here). Thanks, Craig - this certainly seems to fit in with your client's explanation. Perhaps you could use it sparingly as an alternative to a noun phrase.
Similar example in English:
Human rights and mental health among Latin American women in situations of state-sponsored violence.
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The Task Force sees great opportunities for US psychologists to network and to form solidarity-based relationships with Latin American women.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12288466?report=abstract&...
Another example, though not originally EN:
Combating violence against women – Comparative evaluation of FOKUS’ projects on VAW 2005–2012
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Shelter represents a solidarity based approach
http://www.fokuskvinner.no/pagefiles/5228/final report nibr ...
Similar example in English:
Human rights and mental health among Latin American women in situations of state-sponsored violence.
...
The Task Force sees great opportunities for US psychologists to network and to form solidarity-based relationships with Latin American women.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12288466?report=abstract&...
Another example, though not originally EN:
Combating violence against women – Comparative evaluation of FOKUS’ projects on VAW 2005–2012
...
Shelter represents a solidarity based approach
http://www.fokuskvinner.no/pagefiles/5228/final report nibr ...
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Danik 2014
1 hr
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| agree |
Eckhard Boehle
3 hrs
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| neutral |
AllegroTrans
: not completely "wrong" but it does not sound like English English, more like Translationese or Eurobabble
2 days 8 hrs
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Bearing in mind AllegroTrans' comment and as you put it yourself, this solution is to be "used sparingly". Nonetheless it was exactly what I asked for - a way to use an adjective in my translation."
+6
49 mins
Susan Welsh
United States
United States
Native in English
Specializes in field
United States
Psychology, economics, politics
Native in: English
Works in: Russian to English, German to English, English
Related KudoZ points
:
8
an expression of solidarity
... with people subjected to violence, etc.
I think you have to abandon the search for an adjective, because the concept of "solidarity" is so well rooted in English discourse, whereas "solidary" is not. Most of the references I find to the latter are in a legal context (as perhaps reflected in that the spellchecker in this program marks it as a misspelling!)
I think you have to abandon the search for an adjective, because the concept of "solidarity" is so well rooted in English discourse, whereas "solidary" is not. Most of the references I find to the latter are in a legal context (as perhaps reflected in that the spellchecker in this program marks it as a misspelling!)
Note from asker:
| I fear you're right Susan. In fact, I've been translating this in a non-adjectival way for a while but today I thought I'd seek advice from my peers in case I was missing a good solution!! |
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
writeaway
: I think it's best to keep the notion of solidarity. Translating literally doesn't always work.
3 hrs
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thanks
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Danik 2014
5 hrs
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thanks, Danik
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| agree |
Jacek Konopka
9 hrs
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thanks, Jacek
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| agree |
mill2
1 day 29 mins
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thanks
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| agree |
Lancashireman
: Thank you for not proposing a hyphenated option (-oriented and the like).
1 day 12 hrs
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Any time!
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AllegroTrans
2 days 11 hrs
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1 hr
sincere
understanding
compassionate
sensitive
sincere is the only one that does not have a bleeding-heart or condescending feel to it.
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earnest
forthright
genuine
serious
honest
etc.
compassionate
sensitive
sincere is the only one that does not have a bleeding-heart or condescending feel to it.
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earnest
forthright
genuine
serious
honest
etc.
50 mins
supportive
may be the closest.
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There are all kinds of "support" groups for abused women
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A supportive approach to render assistance.....
Takes care of the double-entendre
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There are all kinds of "support" groups for abused women
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A supportive approach to render assistance.....
Takes care of the double-entendre
Note from asker:
| Yes, a good term. Unfortunately it clashes with "Unterstützung" - a supportive approach to providing support :-ß |
33 mins
Danik 2014
Brazil
Brazil
Native in German
Works in field
Brazil
German, English, Spanish to Portuguese!
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) 
, Portuguese (Variant: Brazilian)
Works in: German to Portuguese, English to Portuguese, English to German, and 2 more.
solidary
Why not?
("solidary group") http://www.dict.cc/english-german/solidary.html
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https://www.google.com.br/search?q=solidary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-...
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Note added at 6 hrs (2015-04-09 16:53:13 GMT)
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Ok, Craig! What matters to me is that you are maintaining the concept even in a slightly different form.
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To tell you the truth it is the first time, I see the word, that is very usual in Portuguese, in German.
("solidary group") http://www.dict.cc/english-german/solidary.html
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https://www.google.com.br/search?q=solidary&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-...
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Note added at 6 hrs (2015-04-09 16:53:13 GMT)
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Ok, Craig! What matters to me is that you are maintaining the concept even in a slightly different form.
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Note added at 6 hrs (2015-04-09 16:57:12 GMT)
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To tell you the truth it is the first time, I see the word, that is very usual in Portuguese, in German.
Note from asker:
| Sorry, Danik, but I simply have no experience of this word "solidary" in English. And unfortunately the first page of google hits that your link delivers are all dictionary sites - that is imho always a sign that the word is not actually common in English (even if the total hits seem high) - that's my experience of checking via google hits. |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
AllegroTrans
: sounds totally unnatural English// yes, it's a word but it simply is not used, please accept this from native EN-speakers!! Google doesn't prove anything
3 hrs
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Have a look at Google!
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+1
58 mins
Michael Martin, MA
United States
United States
Native in German
&
English
United States
Creativity wins in the long run
Native in: German (Variant: Germany) , English (Variant: US)
Works in: German to English
Related KudoZ points
:
8
victim-centered (approach)
I think what they're describing is often referred to as a "victim-centered approach" that is designed "to minimize retraumatization". This may be one of those instances where an "explanation" can be a viable translation.
einen solidarischen Ansatz zur Unterstützung von Gewalt betroffenen Menschen = a victim-centered approach in supporting victims of violence
"A victim-centered approach seeks to minimize retraumatization associated with the criminal justice process by providing the support of victim advocates and service providers, empowering survivors as engaged participants in the process, and providing survivors an opportunity to play a role in seeing their traffickers brought to justice."
https://www.ovcttac.gov/taskforceguide/eguide/1-understandin...
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Another option that seems to have a similar register and tone:
"an advocacy approach to support victims of violence"
It may not be enough to rely on a search for adjectives that convey the meaning of “solidarisch” accurately for this context. Many adjectives that sound great in isolation sound less so if combined with “approach”. If the adjective-noun structure of the source term cannot be easily transferred to the target language in this context, we may get a better handle on the problem if we try to solve this at the sentence level..
einen solidarischen Ansatz zur Unterstützung von Gewalt betroffenen Menschen = a victim-centered approach in supporting victims of violence
"A victim-centered approach seeks to minimize retraumatization associated with the criminal justice process by providing the support of victim advocates and service providers, empowering survivors as engaged participants in the process, and providing survivors an opportunity to play a role in seeing their traffickers brought to justice."
https://www.ovcttac.gov/taskforceguide/eguide/1-understandin...
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Note added at 7 hrs (2015-04-09 18:09:43 GMT)
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Another option that seems to have a similar register and tone:
"an advocacy approach to support victims of violence"
It may not be enough to rely on a search for adjectives that convey the meaning of “solidarisch” accurately for this context. Many adjectives that sound great in isolation sound less so if combined with “approach”. If the adjective-noun structure of the source term cannot be easily transferred to the target language in this context, we may get a better handle on the problem if we try to solve this at the sentence level..
Note from asker:
| Now that's a good idea. Although the group I work for are very particular when it comes to the term 'victim'. However, 'client-centred' or similar will work well, I think. |
| Hmm, the client didn't react as positively to "-centred" as I expected - see my discussion entry above. |
| If KudoZ allowed more sophisticated grading, you'd have definitely gotten a couple of kudoz - a true translator's answer, thanks. |
Discussion
(Wir nutzen den Begriff)... im Sinne von "sich mit jemandem verbünden", d.h. wir haben eine solidarische Haltung den Frauen gegenüber. Es geht dabei um Verbundenheit, darum als Frauen füreinander einzustehen, gemeinschaftlich/kooperativ/partnerschaftlich/geschlossen zu handeln. ..."partiality for women" ... Es geht zwar schon darum, dass die Frauen im Zentrum des Interesses stehen, aber mit „___-centred“ triffst du es nicht wirklich.
Similar example in English:
Human rights and mental health among Latin American women in situations of state-sponsored violence.
...
The Task Force sees great opportunities for US psychologists to network and to form solidarity-based relationships with Latin American women.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12288466?report=abstract&...
Another example, though not originally EN:
Combating violence against women – Comparative evaluation of FOKUS’ projects on VAW 2005–2012
...
Shelter represents a solidarity based approach
http://www.fokuskvinner.no/pagefiles/5228/final report nibr ...
joint, unified, combined, mutual, cohesive, coordinated, based on social principles ...
which makes me wonder whether "united" might not fit the context.
Neither www.dict.cc nor Pons-Collins Großwörterbuch have anything inspiring to add.
What about "amicable" or even "unanimous"?
for starters