Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Öffner fallend bei 280mm

English translation:

NC contact opening at 280mm

    The asker opted for community grading. The question was closed on 2019-03-16 21:54:07 based on peer agreement (or, if there were too few peer comments, asker preference.)
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German term

Öffner fallend bei 280mm

German to English Tech/Engineering Electronics / Elect Eng
I am translating a text about a hydraulic pump system which employed electromagnetic currents with various control blocks and I stumbled upon the phrase under the 'technical data section'.

I understand the meaning but I am unsure how this would be expressed correctly in English, in particular 'fallend' - any help appreciated!

Discussion

Johannes Gleim Mar 17, 2019:
@ Marcus Thank you for disclosing your choice. Surprisingly, but not wrong as "Abfallen" is equivalent to "Öffnen" in the context.

drop out / 1. Abfallen n (Relais) …
öffnen v / open; beak /z.B. Kontakte)
öffnen v / (einen Stromkreis) open a circuit
(Budig, Fachwörterbuch Elektrotechnik und Elektronik)

As no peer has proposed this locution, I think it is reasonable to enter it in the glossary independently of the automatically selected answer.

@ Kim: In fact, the asker has spoken and selected a totally different term.
Marcus Forrester (asker) Mar 16, 2019:
I literally have no more context than what has already been given. In the end I went for “N/C contact drops out at 280mm” as that seemed to best fit the text.
Kim Metzger Mar 16, 2019:
Herr Gleim The asker has spoken. Term selected. Question closed. Please respect his privacy.
Johannes Gleim Mar 16, 2019:
@ Marcus, can you please inform us, what term has been used in your translation? It would also be nice to supply us the missing context requested by several peers. I think your text has certainly a subject and a purpose, which can give us an idea, and that the text describes the corresponding devices. Please remember, the more context is available the better our assistance can be to you.
Johannes Gleim Mar 15, 2019:
Nun, unsicher ist meine Antwort nicht. Es geht um einen Öffner, der öffnet, wenn ein bestimmer Weg/Abstand erreicht wird. Sie könnte hinsichtlich der 280 mm aber noch verfeinert werden, wenn der Frager die genaue Anordnung des schaltenden Geräts und des auslösenden Weggebers mitteilt sowie deren Arten und Zwecke. Aber gleich, ob dies bekannt ist, und ob es sich um die Messung eines Flüssigkeitsstandes handelt oder um eine Wegmessung, ändert dies nur wenig an der Übersetzung. Wie gesagt, geht es mir darum, den weiteren Kontext kennenzulernen und weitere Belege zu suchen.
Kim Metzger Mar 15, 2019:
@ Gleim Wieso CL5, wenn "fallend bei 280mm" unverständlich ist?
Johannes Gleim Mar 13, 2019:
@ Marcus "fallend bei 280mm" ist unverständlich. Wieso bei 280 mm? Öffner fallen auch nicht, sondern schließen, wenn das Relais abfällt.
Marcus Forrester (asker) Mar 13, 2019:
Unfortunately there is not much more information. This is one bullet in a list various technical data.

All I have to go on is "Digitaler Niveau/Temperaturschalter: Niveau Öffner fallend bei 280 mm (von oben gemessen)"

Sorry!
Steffen Walter Mar 13, 2019:
Surrounding context Please provide the surrounding German context - this "snippet" is insufficient for us to come up with reasonably accurate suggestions. Thank you.

Proposed translations

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NC contact opening at 280mm

Where "280mm" represents some fluid level in the hydraulic system.
This distance/level has nothing to do with the gap of an open relay contact.

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"fallend" is rather equivocal in the description of a contact movement. The all important question: Does the relay pick up or drop out at the said 280mm. My proposal refers to the former.
Peer comment(s):

agree Kim Metzger
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39 mins
German term (edited): Öffner fallend

normally closed valve or contact

Normally Closed (NC) valves or contacts. These are designed to be normally closed and to open on input. In this case the valve or contact opens to 280 mm. Hope this helps :)
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break (or normally closed, NC, N/C) contact closes (at 280 mm)

The term standardized by IEC is "break contact", but other designations as NC contact, N/C contact, normally closed contact are also common.

Area Elementary relays / Output circuits
IEV ref 444-04-18
en break contact (for elementary relays)
contact which is open when the relay is in its operate condition and which is closed when the relay is in its release condition
de Öffner (eines Elementarrelais), m
Ausschaltkontakt (eines Elementarrelais), m
http://www.electropedia.org/iev/iev.nsf/display?openform&iev...

opener der Öffner Pl.: die Öffner
break contact [TECH.] der Öffner Pl.: die Öffner
"b" contact [ELEKT.] der Öffner Pl.: die Öffner
normally closed contact [Abk.: NCC] [TECH.] der Öffner Pl.: die Öffner
https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/Öffner

break contact contact which is open when the relay operated and closed when the relay is released.
https://books.google.de/books?id=aN0gBQAAQBAJ&pg=SA16-PA8&lp...
(Electronics Engineer's Reference Book)

A normally closed (NC) contact pair is closed (in a conductive state) when it, or the device operating it, is in a deenergized state or relaxed state.[citation needed]
A normally open (NO) contact pair is open (in a non-conductive state) when it, or the device operating it, is in a deenergized state or relaxed state.[
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The National Association of Relay Manufacturers and its successor, the Relay and Switch Industry Association define 23 distinct forms of electrical contact found in relays and switches.[5] Of these contact forms, the following are particularly common:
Form A contacts ("make contacts") are normally open contacts. The contacts are open when the energizing force (magnet or relay solenoid) is not present. When the energizing force is present, the contact will close. An alternate notation for Form A is SPST-NO.[5]
Form B contacts ("break contacts") are normally closed contacts. Its operation is logically inverted from Form A. An alternate notation for Form B is SPST-NC.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_contacts

What is the most common designation?

"break contact"
About 317.000 results (0,35 seconds)
https://www.google.de/search?biw=1054&bih=690&ei=qyuKXMH8HsG...

"normally closed contact" About 313.000 results (0,31 seconds)
https://www.google.de/search?biw=1054&bih=690&ei=miyKXL3oMsP...

"NC contact" About 567.000 results (0,37 seconds)
https://www.google.de/search?biw=1054&bih=690&ei=1yyKXPLzAom...

and with "closes":

"normally closed contact closes" About 9.280 results (0,35 seconds), e.g.:

A normally-open contact closes at "1" and opens at "0". A normally-closed contact closes at "0" and opens at "1".
https://www.google.de/search?biw=1054&bih=690&ei=Cy6KXL-PDIv...

"NC contact closes" About 7.430 results (0,55 seconds), e.g.:

The temperature setting minus switch temperature difference (and tolerances) equals to the lower switch point, which means that the NC contact closes.
https://www.stego.de/en/products/regulating/regulators/fzk-0...

"N/C contact closes" About 1.200 results (0,98 seconds), e.g.:

When normal power drops out, the relay coil is deactivated, and N/C contact closes, creating the pathway for the emergency backup power to flow.
https://www.google.de/search?biw=1054&bih=690&ei=qS-KXN6hPMn...

"break contact closes" About 2.490 results (0,25 seconds), e.g.:

The relay also de-energizes (break contact closes) if no radio signal is received for at least 270s.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...

I do add (at 280 mm), even this specification is not very clear. It may refer to any liquid level or distance.

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Even the question has been closed I think it being useful to focus on the differences between the terms N/C and break. As seen below, the terms "normally open contact" and "break contact" are used interchangeably. There is only one slight difference: "normally open/closed contacts" are attributed regularly to contacts not regarding electrical loads as for relay contact configuration, and "break/make contacts" are related frequently to devices switching circuits.

An electrical contact is an electrical circuit component found in electrical switches, relays, connectors and circuit breakers.
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When the contacts touch, the switch is "closed"; when the contacts are separated, the switch is "open".
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Schematic for an electromechanical relay showing a coil, four pair of normally open and one pair of normally closed contacts
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Form A contacts ("make contacts") are normally open contacts. The contacts are open when the energizing force (magnet or relay solenoid) is not present. An alternate notation for Form A is SPST-NO.
Form B contacts ("break contacts") are normally closed contacts. Its operation is logically inverted from Form A. An alternate notation for Form B is SPST-NC
Form C contacts ("change over" or "transfer" contacts) are composed of a normally closed contact pair and a normally open contact pair that are operated by the same device; there is a common electrical connection between a contact of each pair that results in only three connection terminals. These terminals are usually labelled as normally open, common, and normally closed (NO-C-NC). An alternate notation for Form C is SPDT.
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Form Z or double-make double-break contacts are comparable to Form C contacts, but they almost always have four external connections, two for the normally open path and two for the normally closed path. As with forms X and Y, both current paths involve two contacts in series, mechanically linked and operated by a single actuator. Again, this is also described as an SPDT contact.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrical_contacts

A float switch is a type of level sensor, a device used to detect the level of liquid within a tank. The switch may be used to control a pump, as an indicator, an alarm, or to control other devices.
One type of float switch uses a mercury switch inside a hinged float. Another common type is a float that raises a rod to actuates a microswitch. One pattern uses a reed switch mounted in a tube; a float, containing a magnet, surrounds the tube and is guided by it. When the float raises the magnet to the reed switch, it closes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Float_switch

A miniature snap-action switch, also trademarked and frequently known as a micro switch, is an electric switch that is actuated by very little physical force, through the use of a tipping-point mechanism, sometimes called an "over-center" mechanism.
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The internals of a micro switch. Contacts, from left to right, are common, normally open, and normally closed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miniature_snap-action_switch

liquid level switch - break contact
https://gallery.proficad.eu/Symbols/house-electrical-symbols...

9.1.2 Operating mode selector switch
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The device completes the circuit in the dry state (empty state) so that a fault at the device in the wiring results in a voltage drop that causes an alarm to be triggered (break circuit). Conversely, if the switch is to WET-ON, the device operates as n N/O contact (lower limiter) in fail-safe mode, in which case the fork is normally immersed in liquid.
https://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd...

Contact “Normal” State and Make/Break Sequence
Chapter 4 – Switches
Any kind of switch contact can be designed so that the contacts “close” (establish continuity) when actuated, or “open” (interrupt continuity) when actuated. For switches that have a spring-return mechanism in them, the direction that the spring returns it to with no applied force is called the normal position. Therefore, contacts that are open in this position are called normally open and contacts that are closed in this position are called normally closed.
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Multiposition switches can be either break-before-make (most common) or make-before-break.
https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/digital/chpt-4/con...
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