Glossary entry (derived from question below)
German term or phrase:
Petersburger Hängung
English translation:
salon hang
Added to glossary by
Helen Shiner
Aug 19, 2009 11:37
14 yrs ago
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German term
Petersburger Hängung
German to English
Art/Literary
Art, Arts & Crafts, Painting
wie würde man in Englisch "Petersburger Hängung" übersetzen. Es ist eine Art Bilder an einer Wand verteilt aufzuhängen, wurde im Zarenreich gemacht und heißt deshalb so.
(The Goethe Institut calls it Petersburg hanging. Is that correct?)
(The Goethe Institut calls it Petersburg hanging. Is that correct?)
Proposed translations
(English)
3 +1 | salon hang | Helen Shiner |
4 | ...hung wall-to-wall... | Stephen Reader |
3 | Peterburg hanging | Elsje Apostel |
Change log
Sep 16, 2009 12:47: Helen Shiner Created KOG entry
Proposed translations
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20 hrs
Selected
salon hang
As per my refs posted elsewhere on this page and the further information provided by Johanna. Please note the salon hang dates from the same period and might loosely be termed Victorian. This term is very familiar to me as an art historian and former student of museology. I have never heard of the mosaic hang, though of course do not dispute its use. If the GER text is using such a term, I could only presume an informed readership, or they would instead use something like Stephen's suggestion. Hopefully it is possible to tell from the context.
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Note added at 28 days (2009-09-16 12:48:44 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the points, njbeckett
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Note added at 28 days (2009-09-16 12:48:44 GMT) Post-grading
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Thanks for the points, njbeckett
3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Difficult to decide here. Thanks to everyone."
2 hrs
Peterburg hanging
I'd say the institut is correct
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Note added at 2 uren (2009-08-19 14:12:23 GMT)
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Peterburg of course, sorry
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Note added at 2 uren (2009-08-19 14:12:48 GMT)
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Petersburg
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Note added at 2 uren (2009-08-19 14:12:23 GMT)
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Peterburg of course, sorry
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Note added at 2 uren (2009-08-19 14:12:48 GMT)
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Petersburg
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Stephen Reader
: Never encountered it in native-Anglo-Sax. yet (which doesn't mean it doesn't exist, of cse)
10 hrs
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14 hrs
...hung wall-to-wall...
As a further alternative to Helen and Johanna's 'floor-to-ceiling' (which is instantly widely meaningful and literally more precise than wall-to-wall as the works referred to probably aren't on the floor as in 'w.-to-w. carpeting'...) or 'salon hang'; as you say, the latter presuming the readers' familiarity with the salon/ C19 hanging trad.; or it's elaborated on in the text. 'Wall to wall' would intimate the cramming, as would 'floor to ceiling'.
Example sentence:
The exhibition space was crammed wall-to-wall with miscellaneous works, salon-fashion...
Peer comment(s):
neutral |
Helen Shiner
: agree as a possibility, but I just wonder whether it would match the more informed tone of the GER. Not that we have much to go on.
6 hrs
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Thanks, Helen. Yes, tone shd match, of course. Just made my e-Langenschdt addendum based on this question.
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Reference comments
8 hrs
Reference:
"salon hang" as per Helen's suggestion:
Petersburger Hängung: http://shortify.com/9191
Salon Hang: http://shortify.com/9192
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"Die Petersburger Hängung bezeichnet eine besonders enge Reihung von Gemälden. Häufig reichen diese bis an die Decke, die Rahmen der Werke hängen dicht beieinander.
Hintergrund
Die Bezeichnung geht auf die üppig behängten Wände der Sankt Petersburger Eremitage zurück.
Sie bringt eine veränderte Intention bei der Ausstellung von Kunstwerken zum Ausdruck, die sich im Lauf der Geschichte vollzogen hat: Die Petersburger Hängung zielt darauf ab, den Betrachter durch die schiere Menge der versammelten Kunstwerke zu beeindrucken. Objekt der Bewunderung ist letztlich nicht das einzelne Bild, sondern derjenige, der über die Mittel verfügt, eine große Kunstsammlung zusammenstellen zu können.
Demgegenüber lässt die heute gebräuchliche, weitaus sparsamere Hängung von Bildern das Einzelkunstwerk (und den Künstler) stärker hervortreten."
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petersburger_Hängung
"The most commonly used professional layouts for hanging art are the Salon, Paris, Totem, Mosaic, Series and Asymmetrical Hangs.
[...]Salon Hang
Select a group of art works with a common theme such as colour, medium, artist, subject matter or even frame type. The art works need to be of different sizes and can be centred or lined up above each other and next to each other. Spacing between the art works should be kept consistent to avoid the presentation appearing too random."
(includes picture of salon hang)
http://shortify.com/9193
Salon Hang: http://shortify.com/9192
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"Die Petersburger Hängung bezeichnet eine besonders enge Reihung von Gemälden. Häufig reichen diese bis an die Decke, die Rahmen der Werke hängen dicht beieinander.
Hintergrund
Die Bezeichnung geht auf die üppig behängten Wände der Sankt Petersburger Eremitage zurück.
Sie bringt eine veränderte Intention bei der Ausstellung von Kunstwerken zum Ausdruck, die sich im Lauf der Geschichte vollzogen hat: Die Petersburger Hängung zielt darauf ab, den Betrachter durch die schiere Menge der versammelten Kunstwerke zu beeindrucken. Objekt der Bewunderung ist letztlich nicht das einzelne Bild, sondern derjenige, der über die Mittel verfügt, eine große Kunstsammlung zusammenstellen zu können.
Demgegenüber lässt die heute gebräuchliche, weitaus sparsamere Hängung von Bildern das Einzelkunstwerk (und den Künstler) stärker hervortreten."
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petersburger_Hängung
"The most commonly used professional layouts for hanging art are the Salon, Paris, Totem, Mosaic, Series and Asymmetrical Hangs.
[...]Salon Hang
Select a group of art works with a common theme such as colour, medium, artist, subject matter or even frame type. The art works need to be of different sizes and can be centred or lined up above each other and next to each other. Spacing between the art works should be kept consistent to avoid the presentation appearing too random."
(includes picture of salon hang)
http://shortify.com/9193
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree |
Stephen Reader
: (dep. on tone/context, existing elaboration/target readership). LG, Johanna!
6 hrs
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agree |
Helen Shiner
: Thanks, Johanna - confirms my hunches.
12 hrs
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Discussion
Wish I could agree, but sometimes if we did, we'd be playing Emperor's New Clothes. Cf. the current first entry at http://www.linguee.de/search?query=raumgreifend&x=74&y=14
http://vschneider.wordpress.com/2008/10/09/gentlemanly-hang/
The “art-historical” hang signals the transition from private collections meant for the few to public museums meant for everyone. Whereas private collections impressed, public museums were intended to instruct. Curators, taking cues from the fledgling discipline of art history, arranged collections ch
During the twentieth century the tradition of the salon hang seemed lost as modernism decreed that paintings be hung in isolation, surrounded by large areas of white space. Hanging work salon style became associated more with the amateur art society than the cutting edge. However, the casual nature of the salon hang seems appropriate to a new generation of painters who care little for the distinctions between high and low and are willing to borrow equally from both. An underlying theme of these works can be found in the irreverent sampling of imagery or techniques from art history, hobbyist art or the mass media alike.
The massed clusters of pictures, hung floor to ceiling, will provide an overwhelming display of the aesthetic richness, confidence and diversity of current painting.
http://www.delfina.org.uk/exh/pr_salon.html
This at least would mean something to a wider audience, as well as museology types.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/06/...
In this related link, one poster even comments
"we (in Europe) call the mosaic hang "St. Petersburg hang", actually ..."
(It turns out this poster is from Germany)
http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/sf/the-art-of-hanging-art-on...
Do you have a description of the type of hanging in question?