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Flaubert, Sentimental Education - quotemining needed
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Jul 11, 2012

I have a short literary translation from German to English, but it is peppered with quotes from other writers including Flaubert. I could of course just shrug my shoulders and translate the German without further ado, but I prefer to get to the source if I possibly can.

Sadly, living in small-town Romania I don't have easy access to a French or English edition to check quotes, so I am relying on colleagues for help here! Either the French original or an accepted, standard Emglish t... See more
I have a short literary translation from German to English, but it is peppered with quotes from other writers including Flaubert. I could of course just shrug my shoulders and translate the German without further ado, but I prefer to get to the source if I possibly can.

Sadly, living in small-town Romania I don't have easy access to a French or English edition to check quotes, so I am relying on colleagues for help here! Either the French original or an accepted, standard Emglish translation would be equally helpful.

In particular I need help with the description of the brothel in Nogent, the little grey house by the Seine.

First, what phrase do the towsnfolk use to describe it when Frédéric was young? The German phrase is roughly equivalent to "den of perdition" or "house of sin" but I welcome any other phrasings.

Next, what phrase do Frédéric and Deslauriers use in their old age when they look back on their failed visit to the brothel? The German might translate as "We never had it so good" or "That was the best we ever had" but again, I'd like to hear how Flaubert himself or other Eglish translators have dealt with it.

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Tom in London
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ebook Jul 11, 2012

You can search the text here or buy it as an ebook - a very slightly revised version of Robert Baldick's very good translation done in the 1960s.


http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_SVz5dXrEHIC

[Edited at 2012-07-11 16:06 GMT]
 
Kate Chaffer
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Possibly? Jul 11, 2012

"This home of perdition"

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B4gSUy6HZl0C&pg=RA1-PA207&dq="this%20home%20of%20perdition"&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-qT9T8PJIPHU4QTvrNDUBg&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q="this%20home%20of%20perdition"&f=false
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"This home of perdition"

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B4gSUy6HZl0C&pg=RA1-PA207&dq="this%20home%20of%20perdition"&hl=en&sa=X&ei=-qT9T8PJIPHU4QTvrNDUBg&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q="this%20home%20of%20perdition"&f=false

"That was the best time we ever had"

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=B4gSUy6HZl0C&pg=RA1-PA208&dq="best%20time%20we%20ever%20had"&hl=en&sa=X&ei=eaT9T8LyBYjk4QT5tojFBg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q="best%20time%20we%20ever%20had"&f=false ▲ Collapse
 
Robert Tucker (X)
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French Jul 11, 2012

Ce lieu de perdition...

C'est là ce que nous avons eu de meilleur !

http://www.ebooksgratuits.com/ebooksfrance/flaubert_education_sentimentale.pdf
 
neilmac
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Personal experience Jul 11, 2012

The last time I had to deal with quotes in a book translation, I found that I really didn't like some of the "official" or "original" translations and ended up redoing some of them, after consulting the author. You'll sometimes find several English versions of the same quote, so why not add your own to the list?
 
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Absolutely agree Jul 12, 2012

I very much agree with neilmac that the only thing to do, in the end, is come up with my own version - but many, many thanks nevertheless to all who have helped me track down the other versions that are out there.

Since I'm translating my author's German, of course, and not Flaubert directly, there is another layer of interference/nuance that I have told you good people nothing about.
 


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