विषय में पृष्ठों की संख्या: < [1 2 3 4 5 6] > | Ever been stalked at KudoZ? विषय पोस्ट करनेवाला व्यक्ति: Yasutomo Kanazawa
| Freelance DK डेनमार्क Local time: 17:29 अंग्रेजी से डेनी + ... Daily IP visits... | Aug 22, 2009 |
anamaria bulgariu wrote:
For some reason, I get 3-4 visits from the same IP address every single day for the past 2 and a half years. The person is probably not a registered user of the site. I am also 98% sure about her identity.
Exactly 2 and a half years ago, I translated a book for somebody who managed to trick me into not waiting for an advance payment on the work I did. So... here I am today, with a fully translated version of a book the author of which is constantly monitoring my activity on the site. At the beginning, I felt terribly angry, but it taught me a good lesson. Good thing I only turned in the first page ![](https://cfcdn.proz.com/images/bb/smiles/icon_cool.gif) . At least I have something that she wants, but will never obtain except for the case in which she is prepared to pay the equivalent amount for the work and penalties too.
Ana
If the IP is from MOUNTAIN VIEW in USA it is Google who visit your site every day![](https://cfcdn.proz.com/images/bb/smiles/icon_wink.gif) | | | Arnaud HERVE फ्रांस Local time: 17:29 अंग्रेजी से फ्रांसीसी + ...
I think Kanazawa-San is intelligent and balanced enough to detect when he is stalked or not.
I also think the "respect of other people's point of view" and the "diversity of opinions in the world" don't make stalking some sort of non stalking. | | | I am sorry to hear about what is happening to you Yasutomo | Aug 22, 2009 |
I understand the point that Amorel is making, but I don't think that would be any justification for the type of behaviour described.
If Proz cannot help you, the best thing you can do is understand that this is a deeply unhappy person and hope they get well again.
It is fine be concerned about the quality of Proz, but becoming obsessed wth one person's contribution is not having a life. | | | Helen Shiner फ्रांस Local time: 17:29 सदस्य (2008) जर्मन से अंग्रेजी + ...
with Tomás. Writing to the person in question will give you a chance to better assess his/her intentions. Meanwhile, if the comments left alongside your Kudoz contributions are not of a linguistic nature, then the way to deal with it is to call a moderator to the question. To speak of 'stalking' is rather inflammatory, unless you have absolute proof that this is what is happening and/or intended.
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Yasutomo Kanazawa जापान Local time: 01:29 सदस्य (2005) अंग्रेजी से जापानी + ... विषय आरंभकर्ता Then what would be a more appropriate word here? | Aug 22, 2009 |
Helen Shiner wrote:
with Tomás. Writing to the person in question will give you a chance to better assess his/her intentions. Meanwhile, if the comments left alongside your Kudoz contributions are not of a linguistic nature, then the way to deal with it is to call a moderator to the question. To speak of 'stalking' is rather inflammatory, unless you have absolute proof that this is what is happening and/or intended.
[Edited at 2009-08-22 09:04 GMT]
If "stalking, stalker" is rather inflammatory, what would be the best word(s) to describe this type of behavior by a certain person? A secret admirer? A megalomaniac? A person with a certain fixation? I don't know... | | | Helen Shiner फ्रांस Local time: 17:29 सदस्य (2008) जर्मन से अंग्रेजी + ...
Many women, and, indeed, men have been subject to true stalking, which is a very serious crime and very frightening for the victim. To describe this in terms of that language is exaggerated and unnecessary. Might you not be doing more damage to the person in question by these claims? Might it not just be a plain old misunderstanding? I am sure it feels unpleasant, but I can't see this is the way to go about dealing with it.
If someone disagrees with your answer to a Kudoz question, ... See more Many women, and, indeed, men have been subject to true stalking, which is a very serious crime and very frightening for the victim. To describe this in terms of that language is exaggerated and unnecessary. Might you not be doing more damage to the person in question by these claims? Might it not just be a plain old misunderstanding? I am sure it feels unpleasant, but I can't see this is the way to go about dealing with it.
If someone disagrees with your answer to a Kudoz question, don't you think your peers can make a judgment as to whether the disagree is justified or not? It does not stop the asker from awarding points to you either, if your answer is appropriate.
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Hello Helen,
To describe this in terms of that language is exaggerated and unnecessary.
says you. Adding an IMHO would cut of that edge of "it's a fact, all know this", which can be read thru the lines;-). It is not a fact, it's a personal opinion.
If someone disagrees with your answer to a Kudoz question, don't you think your peers can make a judgment as to whether the disagree is justified or not? It does not stop the asker from awarding points to you either, if your answer is appropriate.
hmm, Yasutomo's point is not the disagreeing, as you have surely read in his various postings, but the fact that this very person seems to be focussing on disagreeing with him instead of disagreeing with any answer colleague A *stumbles upon* and considers wrong or not appropriate, the latter being an activity I can fully understand and would never call harassment or stalking.
Giuliana | | | Lancashireman यूनाइटेड किंगडम Local time: 16:29 जर्मन से अंग्रेजी
I have been surprised by the number of contributors to this thread who have apparently taken the accusation made here at face value. I didn’t know that full membership entitled you to trawl through and identify individual visitors to your profile page. If this is indeed true, then it might best be described as ‘reverse stalking’.
Having seen the Topic Starter in action on my own language pair, I have a reasonable suspicion of who this charge is being levelled at. And if I can... See more I have been surprised by the number of contributors to this thread who have apparently taken the accusation made here at face value. I didn’t know that full membership entitled you to trawl through and identify individual visitors to your profile page. If this is indeed true, then it might best be described as ‘reverse stalking’.
Having seen the Topic Starter in action on my own language pair, I have a reasonable suspicion of who this charge is being levelled at. And if I can work it out, so can others. It seems to me that innuendo of this type is as undesirable on this site as the behaviour alleged. And having seen most if not all of the ‘disagrees’ posted to this answerer over the past few weeks in my language pair, I would say that they were without exception justified.
PS: I have never visited the profile page in question and have no intention of doing so now that I know about the owner’s special powers.
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Lingua 5B बोसनिया हरजेगोविना Local time: 17:29 सदस्य (2009) अंग्रेजी से क्रोशियाई + ... Some comments | Aug 22, 2009 |
Armorel Young wrote:
A is trying to make a point to you and is presumably feeling frustrated that you aren't grasping it.
Why would he or she feel frustrated about it? What kind of scholastic obligation does "A" have toward Yasutomo for the KudoZ thing to make them feel so frustrated? I don't think frustration brings anything good into the discussion. It can only make people give up KudoZ altogether. Honestly, my opinion is that the less a person is linguistically qualified, the more frustrated they will get in those discussions. Then again, we must understand that not only are we dealing with people who have different levels of translation/linguistic expertise but also people with different personalities and emotional-mental dynamic. Therefore, I certainly believe in the possibility of some individual out there behind the screen finding certain " fun" in stalking around. And it has nothing to do with their qualifications, but it's rather related to their personality. "Stalker" does NOT need a reason to stalk. Stalkers do it because they are disturbed.
Armorel Young wrote:You may not agree with A's implied point, but nevertheless A has a right to make it and it would be a sad day if the site were to clamp down on the right of either of you to continue expressing your opinions.
Points can be made without hostility, frustration and obscure atmosphere. Rules can be implemented without arrogance and aggression. Or am I living in my own little dream world where I believe this may be possible? | |
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Yasutomo Kanazawa जापान Local time: 01:29 सदस्य (2005) अंग्रेजी से जापानी + ... विषय आरंभकर्ता Second Lingua 5B's comments | Aug 22, 2009 |
Lingua 5B wrote:
Armorel Young wrote:
A is trying to make a point to you and is presumably feeling frustrated that you aren't grasping it.
Why would he or she feel frustrated about it? What kind of scholastic obligation does "A" have toward Yasutomo for the KudoZ thing to make them feel so frustrated? I don't think frustration brings anything good into the discussion. It can only make people give up KudoZ altogether. Honestly, my opinion is that the less a person is linguistically qualified, the more frustrated they will get in those discussions. Then again, we must understand that not only are we dealing with people who have different levels of translation/linguistic expertise but also people with different personalities and emotional-mental dynamic. Therefore, I certainly believe in the possibility of some individual out there behind the screen finding certain " fun" in stalking around. And it has nothing to do with their qualifications, but it's rather related to their personality. "Stalker" does NOT need a reason to stalk. Stalkers do it because they are disturbed.
Armorel Young wrote:You may not agree with A's implied point, but nevertheless A has a right to make it and it would be a sad day if the site were to clamp down on the right of either of you to continue expressing your opinions.
Points can be made without hostility, frustration and obscure atmosphere. Rules can be implemented without arrogance and aggression. Or am I living in my own little dream world where I believe this may be possible?
Thank you, 5B, for your comments. And I agree to all of them.
Stalkers, whether they are KudoZ participants or a psycho out on the street, they're all the same. Like you said, they're disturbed emotionally or mentally or both. And I've never asked A to go over my KudoZ contributions and see whether they are correct or not by periodically accessing my profile to see which questions I have contributed to. And the matter's getting worse.
First, it started out in A's working language pair. But now, it's not only that. A would at random pick almost all the KudoZ questions I contributed to, except my working languages. So, in a sense, A's broadened one's preying territory.
Anyway, if I were to disagree with a person's answer, I wouldn't be so blunt as to say "Yo, where are your refs?" or "Dictionaries are useless" that kind of speech. I would politely ask or write something like "Sorry, XX, I can't agree to your question, since YY in this context means ZZ". Please refer to the link."
Lingua 5B, you're not living in your own little dream. What I wrote in my last paragraph above is possible if one puts a little bit more of attention and when commenting peers. | | | Kudoz is most of all about helping other translators | Aug 23, 2009 |
Yasutomo Kanazawa wrote:
I know that like you wrote above, KudoZ is a place to provide high-quality professional help to askers. But it's one of the various opinions which people have. I believe that there are people who take KudoZ similiar to going to the tracks every weekend placing bets on horses and "win some lose some" game. I'm sure that there are also people who share the same opinion as yours and mine. So I wouldn't go further into this topic.
[Edited at 2009-08-22 12:23 GMT]
I don't think that it is a matter of opinion. Kudoz answeres are not horses, they are hands stretched to someone in need. If you want to improve your language skills track interesting answers and analyse answers given by others - not give yours if you yourself say that you are not competent enough to be sure whether your answer is correct or no.
If you have many dictionaries and like to suggest answers found in them - than maybe it would be better to use "Reference" option - that is exactly what this function is for and if you want to help but are not sure of the answer - using this function is the best option.
Have you thought about people who may rely on your answer and may not be aware of your own doubts?
When it comes to the issue of stalker - if this "stalker" disagrees with questions in language pairs not listed in his/her profile than I guess you can ask moderator to remove them?
Best Regards
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