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Jul 25, 2022 13:25
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German term

gleichsam zu verpflichten

German to English Law/Patents Law: Contract(s)
Der Lieferant verwendet die anerkannten Regeln der Technik und einschlägige Sicherheitsvorschriften, um vereinbarte technische Daten und Anforderungen sicher einzuhalten. Vor einer Vergabe an Unterlieferanten hat der Lieferant den Unterlieferanten gleichsam zu verpflichten.

I've looked up all the other entries for "gleichsam" and none of them seem to fit here. Would "obtain the same undertakings [from the subcontractor" be correct here?

TIA.
Proposed translations (English)
4 +3 shall impose the same (obligations on the sub-supplier/subcontractor)
3 commit likewise

Discussion

AllegroTrans Jul 25, 2022:
OK Steffen Thanks for that
Steffen Walter Jul 25, 2022:
Incorrect usage I assume this just got copied from one boilerplate to the next. That said, this is incorrect usage compared to the actual meaning of "gleichsam". See https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/gleichsam
If you use Google and go to the second page of search results, their number miraculously shrinks to 10.
AllegroTrans Jul 25, 2022:
gleichsam zu verpflichten Many examples of this on the www
Steffen Walter Jul 25, 2022:
Gleichermaßen "Gleichsam" is a rather strange equivalent of "gleichermaßen" in this case.
Nick Brisland, BA (Hons) Jul 25, 2022:
I agree with Max and I think his suggestions are good; I'd be interested to hear from native Germans what the sentence sounds like to them, is gleichsam the correct word to use here?
Max Jeremiah Jul 25, 2022:
I can't find any sources, but my instinct tells me that they mean "gleichsam" in the sense of "gleichfalls" -- perhaps "likewise" or "in the same way" in English, which is similar to what you've suggested.

Proposed translations

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shall impose the same (obligations on the sub-supplier/subcontractor)

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Peer comment(s):
agree philgoddard
11 mins
thanks
agree Kim Metzger : More possibilities https://www.proz.com/kudoz/german-to-english/law-general/903...
27 mins
thanks
agree Steffen Walter : "Gleichsam" is equivalent to "gleichermaßen" in this case.
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks to everyone! Good to get so much different input."
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commit likewise

There might be a good reason why an absolute obligation is not being imposed 'gleichenfalls', rather one 'sinngemäß' as 'similarly' rather than identically.

Again, it is a professionally fraught business changing the adverb to one the translator thinks it ought to be 'as it were', especially for notarial certification as a 'true translation' and which I would have stopped as an inhouse checker for clearance.
Example sentence:

Verständnis zugrunde zu legen, wonach den jeweiligen Staaten ein gleichsam absolutes Monopol über Zeichen eingeräumt werde, die keine [...] eur-lex.europa.eu [...] Convention which confers on the States concerned a *virtually* absolute monopoly on sig

Reference:

http://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/uebersetzung/gleichsam+erklären.html

Peer comment(s):
neutral Steffen Walter : Usage of "gleichsam" in your sentence (gleichsam absolutes Monopol - virtually absolute monopoly) is equivalent to the (correct) meaning as per https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/gleichsam (while the usage in Jackie's context is not - see discussion).
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