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Glossary entry

French term or phrase:

Plusieurs réduits

English translation:

several storage spaces

Added to glossary by Lara Barnett
Sep 29, 2019 13:19
4 yrs ago
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French term

Plusieurs réduits

Non-PRO French to English Marketing Real Estate Swiss luxury house
Within the description of a French property. This is part of the list describing main features at the end of the fuller description.

- Buanderie / local technique
- Local de musique
- Atelier
- Cave à vin
- Salle de sport
- Plusieurs réduits / nombreux rangements
- Bûcher avec accès à l'extérieur

I have no idea what this is, no need to post up my client's entire website (as occasionally happens), although a little help would be much appreciated.
Thanks.
Proposed translations (English)
3 +2 several storage spaces/many storage units
3 Small built-in cupboards
2 +1 box-room
References
online (and other Fr-En) dicos
Change log

Sep 29, 2019 14:25: Tony M changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Sep 29, 2019 23:45: Yolanda Broad changed "Term asked" from "Plusieurs réduit" to "Plusieurs réduits"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

Non-PRO (3): mchd, Rachel Fell, Tony M

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Discussion

Lara Barnett (asker) Sep 30, 2019:
@ Jennifer I am aware it is unsuitable, which is why, as I said, I have flagged the term to the client.
In the meantime, "cubbyhole" is not pejorative at all and you would probably find many dictionary entries (as I have just found, such as dictionary.com), which do not classify it in this way. I am aware it is unsuitable for the context, as I have already said quite a few times.

"A small snug place" (no note on pejorative use here)
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/cubbyhole?s=t
Jennifer White Sep 30, 2019:
@Lara Yes, it is in the dictionary list and is termed "péjoratif" so completely unsuitable for marketing a property.
Lara Barnett (asker) Sep 30, 2019:
@AllegroTrans, re: Cubbyhole This is in the list within the reference comment below. I realise it may not be used much within this field, but it is actually very current language where I live in London, UK.

In the meantime, this term has been flagged to the client as an issue anyway.

Thanks for help.
AllegroTrans Sep 30, 2019:
Cubbyholes? No! Is simply not current language and certainly not a "feature" that an agent would refer to. Much too dated.
Cyril Tollari Sep 30, 2019:
Who said cubbyholes?
@Jennifer, agree, not miles apart. My comment was about box-rooms.
Jennifer White Sep 30, 2019:
Agree with Tony Cubbyholes is completely wrong for this, and I wonder how Lara translated "nombreux rangements" too.
Lara Barnett (asker) Sep 30, 2019:
@ Tony Yes, thanks, I have informed the client that this may be incorrect and given various other options in an email.
Lara
Tony M Sep 30, 2019:
@ Asker Oh dear, I'm afraid 'cubby-holes' is quite inappropriate here!
To start with, it suggests something much smaller than a 'réduit' would usually be in a property advert; and it is also quite the wrong sort of register in your context here!
Lara Barnett (asker) Sep 30, 2019:
@ James Cubbyholes is exactly what I used (following ref. post by Writeaway), and the translation has been sent to client now. I may leave points up to the community if Writeaway (or anybody else) does not post this.
Jennifer White Sep 29, 2019:
Thanks Cyril for your remarks. Actually, built-in cupboards and my suggestion of storage units are not a million miles apart. However, from the list of amenities, and from my own experience, I think this is the marketing for the lower ground floor of the house (only Lara knows that for sure) where built-in cupboards would not really fit - these would more than likely be in the bedrooms etc. I stand by my suggestion! Have a good week. J.
James A. Walsh Sep 29, 2019:
Cubbyholes? As in: a small enclosed space or room.
Cyril Tollari Sep 29, 2019:
@Jennifer
You misread my comment. I wasn't suggesting box-room as an answer for this. Rangements implies built-in cupboards to me and according to this dictionnary definition too  P. méton. Meuble, emplacement qui sert à ranger. La prolifération des objets demandait des placards, des rangements, des fichiers
Jennifer White Sep 29, 2019:
@ Cyril You wouldn't fond a box room on lower ground floor which this obviously is. (see list). And why talk of beds here? I don't think you'd find fitted cupboards here either.
Cyril Tollari Sep 29, 2019:
I think 'plenty of built-in cupboards' is right for 'nombreux rangements'. Box-rooms are the closest thing to a réduit to me, but they seem to be too big still. You cannot fit a bed in a réduit. Cagibi is another word you could use for réduit. Google pictures of cagibis and you'll see what a réduit is.
Cyril Tollari Sep 29, 2019:
There are two options for this word:
Local de très petites dimensions, retranché d'un plus grand (synon alcôve, niche),
ou simple recoin (synon. cabinet, cagibi). 

Proposed translations

+2
1 hr
French term (edited): Plusieurs réduit
Selected

several storage spaces/many storage units

suggestion for both

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Note added at 1 hr (2019-09-29 14:45:52 GMT)
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13 Sep 2018 - Depending on the building complex, studio flats may also include storage spaces, fold-away beds, garden areas, balconies, and so on.
Peer comment(s):
agree writeaway : certainly possible but no way to be sure since we can't actually see them
40 mins
neutral Tony M : I wouldn't add 'units', as that tends to imply an item of furniture; usually, '(de nombreux) rangements' can just be translated as '(plenty of / ample) storage'
56 mins
agree - but you can't say storage twice without qualifying it, surely. This was a suggestion for both (see above)
neutral Nikki Scott-Despaigne : Un "réduit" is a "small" storage area. I go wityh your first idea if you add "small". I would not use "unit"; it can be part of a room https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais/réduit/67371
2 hrs
In that case, how would you translate "nombreux rangements"? This was my suggestion for the second part.
agree GILLES MEUNIER
1 day 13 hrs
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22 mins
French term (edited): Plusieurs réduit

Small built-in cupboards

I imagine storage space with sloping ceilings, as under stairs, eaves, etc
Peer comment(s):
neutral Tony M : I think the notion of 'cupboard' is certainly not wrong, but I'm not sure it is necessary to qualifiy them as 'small'.
48 mins
neutral writeaway : agree with Tony. Small isn't in the text provided and we have no way to see what they actually are
1 hr
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+1
1 hr
French term (edited): réduit

box-room

I'm not convinced this really applies here, but just for the record, a 'réduit' in estate agent jargon is often a box-room — an old-fashioned term now in the UK, but once used to describe a room too small to have the audacity to call it a 'bedroom'!

The problem here is of course how to differentiate it satisfactorily from 'rangements'.

I suspect 'réduit' might be used to suggest / imply a walk-in cupboard.

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Note added at 6 hrs (2019-09-29 19:57:46 GMT)
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I disagree with Nikki's comment that it might bot be an enclosed space; while I think that might be inferred for 'rangement', I think the general sense of 'réduit' as i've seen it used in property ads is of a (relatively) enclosed space that is too small to deserve the title of 'room'
Probably sight of the property layout plans would clear it up immediately, Asker — I'd be inclined to go for something like 'several store-rooms and numerous other storage areas'
Peer comment(s):
agree writeaway : certainly possible but no way to be sure- the term should be in the plural (follows plusieurs)
51 mins
Thanks, W/A!
neutral Nikki Scott-Despaigne : No way of knowing if it is an enclosed space here so "small storage areas" is probably more accurate.
3 hrs
By definition, 'réduit' is going to be an enclosed space, and 'small' is only relative, not apt for a marketing context. 'area' could be any old open space, which might do for 'rangement' but not 'réduit'
neutral Jennifer White : a box room on a lower ground floor, which this obviously is?
3 hrs
There's no reason why a box-room couldn't be in a basement, it's just that basements are less common in the UK!
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Reference comments

24 mins
Reference:

online (and other Fr-En) dicos

réduit
nom masculin
(péjoratif) [logement] cubbyhole
[recoin] recess
[placard] cupboard
https://www.larousse.fr/dictionnaires/francais-anglais/rédui...

nm
(=pièce) tiny room
(=recoin) recess
https://dictionary.reverso.net/french-english/reduit

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Note added at 20 hrs (2019-09-30 09:44:47 GMT)
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Thank you, but no, this isn't an answer I posted it as a reference to get the ball rolling and show a few options.
Note from asker:
Thank you. Will you be posting one of these as an answer? (I went with "cubbyhole".
Peer comments on this reference comment:
agree mchd
16 mins
agree Tony M
41 mins
agree Jennifer White
1 hr
agree Nikki Scott-Despaigne
3 hrs
agree Michele Fauble
16 hrs
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