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Client changing amount on PO, what to do? विषय पोस्ट करनेवाला व्यक्ति: Thao Tran
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Daryo यूनाइटेड किंगडम Local time: 15:54 सर्बियाई से अंग्रेजी + ... Explain to them | Jul 29, 2018 |
that you will gladly remove/amend any reviews you have posted or *will additionally post on other sites* ONCE the problem has been resolved to your satisfaction. You have nothing to lose anyway.
If resorting to a negative review on Facebook was necessary to prod them into talking to you, DO NOT remove it before the problem is solved i.e. the money is in your account, not just promised ...), whatever "nice talk" they are using to make you do it. Although I don't think that "we'll do ... See more that you will gladly remove/amend any reviews you have posted or *will additionally post on other sites* ONCE the problem has been resolved to your satisfaction. You have nothing to lose anyway.
If resorting to a negative review on Facebook was necessary to prod them into talking to you, DO NOT remove it before the problem is solved i.e. the money is in your account, not just promised ...), whatever "nice talk" they are using to make you do it. Although I don't think that "we'll do nothing about it if you don't remove the negative review immediately" should qualify as "nice talk", sounds more like a threat to me.
As long as you can honestly say that you have done good work, there is no reason for you to tolerate being messed around, or to accept to be silenced as a condition that they deign to consider maybe correcting their mistakes. That's not how negotiating works - once you have blown your stock of goodwill, rules change.
Pretending not knowing what your own employees are doing is a standard delaying/blame shifting tactic, BTW ...
You should also remind them that until it's paid in full your translation is your intellectual property, so they will be reselling it at their own risk.
Thao Tran wrote:
Hi Jyuan_US, thank you for your opinion. I very much think so too.
I emailed Managing Director about the issue and asked for her help as well as attention. No response. I wrote a review on their Facebook, laying out all the facts, Blue Board review is coming.
I sent the final email informing the Director appropriate actions will be carried out.
She responded asking me to remove the review in order for her to look into the matter and solve it.
Here's her email:
Hello Thao,
Apologies for not replying, I received your email after working hours on Friday and I only just saw it by chance now as it is the weekend.
I will be back in the office on Monday morning 9 am UK time and I will read your emails and start an investigation to resolve this.
It deserve my full attention, so I do not want to reply to you without having the facts.
However I'm concerned about the treats you are making and the negative reviews you are writing, I'm afraid we cannot resolve this situation if you are dealing choosing to behave this way.
Let me know if you wish to find a solution and review the facts with me on Monday, of course, this is only possible if you remove the reviews and you stop the treats.
I hope we will resolve this and I send you my respectful regards.
Best,
J.
What would you do if you were me?
Regards,
Thao
jyuan_us wrote:
Thao Tran wrote:
- Now they only wanted to pay GBP 0.045/word for first project, GBP 0.075/word for second project and refused to pay for third and fourth project, 100% and 64% done, respectively, because they canceled the projects with me right before due time.
Regards,
Thao
1. They should have paid you GBP 0.08 for the first project.
2. They were right in paying you GBP 0.075/word for second project.
3. They should have paid you GBP 0.075/word for the third project.
4. They should have paid you GBP 0.075/word for the fourth project X 64% done. ▲ Collapse | | |
Rita Pang कनाडा Local time: 10:54 सदस्य (2011) चीनी से अंग्रेजी + ... इस मंच का मध्यस्थ Some thoughts | Jul 29, 2018 |
Thao Tran wrote:
However I'm concerned about the treats you are making and the negative reviews you are writing, I'm afraid we cannot resolve this situation if you are dealing choosing to behave this way.
Dear Thao,
I am sorry to hear about this complicated situation you're in, and everyone here has sort of echoed what I wanted to say already.
In my opinion and if I were you, what I would have done when the whole disagreement first started is to accept the first project paid at X amount, then accept/finish/get paid for the second batch of projects at 2X amount.
Yes, I understand that it was the agency who changed the first job to 2X from X, not you, and therefore you weren't wrong to ask to be paid for the first job at 2X. However - not fully knowing how the conversation took place - I could also see where the point of frustration came from for the agency. I suggest that moving forward, for all future projects with ANY agency, whenever disagreement about POs arise, do try to resolve them as best as you could before submitting demands (which no matter how nice you put it, a demand is set in black and white once that email is fired off).
I should also remind you that the Blueboard shouldn't be used as a way to push a client to pay, according to Proz's site rules: https://www.proz.com/faq/2995#2995
A while ago I had a PO cancelled on me because the PM suddenly decided that I wasn't a native speaker of the language I was working on. Before this happened, there were already a number of administrative issues regarding the PO. It took about 5 rounds of emails before the PO was finally paid and settled. AFTER payment was made, I put in a Blueboard entry stating my negative experience and a senior PM contacted me in an attempt to set things straight. After a lengthy discussion, I removed my negative review altogether but declined their request to give them a POSITIVE review (for obvious reasons
Long story short, you're not alone when it comes to dealing with messy POs, but to reduce damage I suggest that you engage in this discussion with the PM. Be civil, stay calm and patient. If I were you I'd request payment in the following structure:
X for the first project
2X for all subsequent projects
Don't forget to ask them to cover all fees associated - if you are using PayPal, make sure you find out your country's transaction fees (ranges anywhere from 2 to 4% of the total amount) and include that on your PO. Be sure to mention this in your conversation.
Stay calm, stay courteous. Best of luck to you. | | |
Thao Tran वियतनाम Local time: 21:54 सदस्य (2017) अंग्रेजी से वियतनामी + ... विषय आरंभकर्ता Thank you and my issue isn't complicated | Jul 29, 2018 |
Hi Rita,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
My issue isn't complicated.
I quoted GBP 0.045/word for first project, delivered it and ready to move on.
Client requested further projects.
I quoted GBP 0.08/word.
Client changed first already-delivered project from GBP 0.045/word to GBP 0.08/word and asked for lower price for subsequent projects.
I checked their platform and it had been upgraded to GBP 0.08/word. I then quoted 0.075/wor... See more Hi Rita,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
My issue isn't complicated.
I quoted GBP 0.045/word for first project, delivered it and ready to move on.
Client requested further projects.
I quoted GBP 0.08/word.
Client changed first already-delivered project from GBP 0.045/word to GBP 0.08/word and asked for lower price for subsequent projects.
I checked their platform and it had been upgraded to GBP 0.08/word. I then quoted 0.075/word for subsequent projects.
While I was working, client downgraded to GBP 0.045/word again.
Finally client denied that they never upgraded to GBP 0.08/word.
Rita, a lie is a lie. Simple as that. I kept things very very professional and calm when I first spotted the change, reached out and asked them to fix.
They cancelled the project and made all POs disappear immediately after.
It's just plain outrageous.
It's also a case of technology misuse, as they use their platform to negotiate and later on change PO amount. And then lie about ever changing the PO amount.
Finally, to me, making client pay me correctly is one thing, revealing their tactics, i.e. their platform and its flexibility for client to change PO amount without notifying service providers, is another thing.
I'm a paid Proz member as well as a Certified Pro, I know the rules. I have always and I will continue to strictly follow every single Proz rules, including Blue Board rules, among them are strictly keep the rating on the basis of Likelihood of Working Again.
Thank you very much again,
Thao
Rita Pang wrote:
Thao Tran wrote:
However I'm concerned about the treats you are making and the negative reviews you are writing, I'm afraid we cannot resolve this situation if you are dealing choosing to behave this way.
Dear Thao,
I am sorry to hear about this complicated situation you're in, and everyone here has sort of echoed what I wanted to say already.
In my opinion and if I were you, what I would have done when the whole disagreement first started is to accept the first project paid at X amount, then accept/finish/get paid for the second batch of projects at 2X amount.
Yes, I understand that it was the agency who changed the first job to 2X from X, not you, and therefore you weren't wrong to ask to be paid for the first job at 2X. However - not fully knowing how the conversation took place - I could also see where the point of frustration came from for the agency. I suggest that moving forward, for all future projects with ANY agency, whenever disagreement about POs arise, do try to resolve them as best as you could before submitting demands (which no matter how nice you put it, a demand is set in black and white once that email is fired off).
I should also remind you that the Blueboard shouldn't be used as a way to push a client to pay, according to Proz's site rules: https://www.proz.com/faq/2995#2995
A while ago I had a PO cancelled on me because the PM suddenly decided that I wasn't a native speaker of the language I was working on. Before this happened, there were already a number of administrative issues regarding the PO. It took about 5 rounds of emails before the PO was finally paid and settled. AFTER payment was made, I put in a Blueboard entry stating my negative experience and a senior PM contacted me in an attempt to set things straight. After a lengthy discussion, I removed my negative review altogether but declined their request to give them a POSITIVE review (for obvious reasons
Long story short, you're not alone when it comes to dealing with messy POs, but to reduce damage I suggest that you engage in this discussion with the PM. Be civil, stay calm and patient. If I were you I'd request payment in the following structure:
X for the first project
2X for all subsequent projects
Don't forget to ask them to cover all fees associated - if you are using PayPal, make sure you find out your country's transaction fees (ranges anywhere from 2 to 4% of the total amount) and include that on your PO. Be sure to mention this in your conversation.
Stay calm, stay courteous. Best of luck to you.
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Rita Pang कनाडा Local time: 10:54 सदस्य (2011) चीनी से अंग्रेजी + ... इस मंच का मध्यस्थ Opinion, not accusations | Jul 29, 2018 |
Thao Tran wrote:
I'm a paid Proz member as well as a Certified Pro, I know the rules. I have always and I will continue to strictly follow every single Proz rules, including Blue Board rules, among them are strictly keep the rating on the basis of Likelihood of Working Again.
My post wasn't meant to point fingers at you in any way, and unfortunately that's one of the drawbacks to forum discussions. Know that I am not here to accuse you, and what I've posted is nothing but a friendly reminder. | |
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Think price tag | Jul 29, 2018 |
You need to be practical.
For the first job, you agreed to the first price and completed and delivered on those terms. Something odd happened in between times - probably an accidental increase based on the fact that the agency had agreed to a higher rate for the following jobs. So, accept payment for the first job on the original terms.
For the rest, see what the agent offers on Monday. You don't need to re-post the chain of events here as we now have them posted a numb... See more You need to be practical.
For the first job, you agreed to the first price and completed and delivered on those terms. Something odd happened in between times - probably an accidental increase based on the fact that the agency had agreed to a higher rate for the following jobs. So, accept payment for the first job on the original terms.
For the rest, see what the agent offers on Monday. You don't need to re-post the chain of events here as we now have them posted a number of times. You need to provide this information to the client. You already have done, so don't re-send it. Just refer to what you have already sent. The client is now active in dealing with this, apparently, so engage and maintain a dialogue.
On the matter of having posted negative comments on Facebook and the client asking you to remove those comments in order for the matter to be discussed, you can suggest that you will be only too happy to post a corrective post saying how well the issue was dealt with... once it has been dealt with.
Go to the table with a practical solution in mind and bear in mind how much the job is worth and how much time you are spending on this. You need to have an idea in your mind of your price tag to get this sorted out and behind you. ▲ Collapse | | |
DZiW (X) युक्रेन अंग्रेजी से रूसी + ... No need to complete the story, imagining possible endings | Jul 29, 2018 |
Pretty simply: (1) one's terms/assumes and (2) other's terms/assumes -vs- (3) cold reality.
Of course, paper shell tell for sure, yet 'full attention' neither explains, nor proves anything, so don't remove the warning too soon--even if it may discourage some colleagues and prospects from working with translators-challenged and solvency-impaired differently abled middlepersons.
P.S. Overquoting makes reading & scrol... See more Pretty simply: (1) one's terms/assumes and (2) other's terms/assumes -vs- (3) cold reality.
Of course, paper shell tell for sure, yet 'full attention' neither explains, nor proves anything, so don't remove the warning too soon--even if it may discourage some colleagues and prospects from working with translators-challenged and solvency-impaired differently abled middlepersons.
P.S. Overquoting makes reading & scrolling longer. ▲ Collapse | | |
Thao Tran वियतनाम Local time: 21:54 सदस्य (2017) अंग्रेजी से वियतनामी + ... विषय आरंभकर्ता Great update and some words to Vietnamese translators | Aug 3, 2018 |
Hi everyone,
Thank you so so much for your support and sharing on this forum and also via private messages with me.
Client's CFO briefly apologized and had sent me the payment.
What an experience.
Finally, I just want to have a few words to my fellow Vietnamese linguists.
Dear fellow Vietnamese linguists,
If you ever encounter a similar issue, you do a search on Proz forums and somehow you find my forum. Here are the... See more Hi everyone,
Thank you so so much for your support and sharing on this forum and also via private messages with me.
Client's CFO briefly apologized and had sent me the payment.
What an experience.
Finally, I just want to have a few words to my fellow Vietnamese linguists.
Dear fellow Vietnamese linguists,
If you ever encounter a similar issue, you do a search on Proz forums and somehow you find my forum. Here are the things I want to say to you:
1. You should immediately read Tom in London's advice here: https://www.proz.com/forum/money_matters/325142-my_client_refuses_to_pay_me_does_anyone_have_an_idea_on_what_to_do.html
His step 1 is so so important because it gives you strength to tackle the issue.
2. Do not allow yourself to think that because you're based in Vietnam, you have no power to make clients behave. Almost every country has their Consulate in Vietnam and they are very much a part of their countries' government. So use them wisely.
However different your issue may be to mine, I'm just a phone call and an email away.
Regards,
Thao ▲ Collapse | | |
Sheila Wilson स्पेन Local time: 15:54 सदस्य (2007) अंग्रेजी + ... Great outcome! | Aug 3, 2018 |
Thao Tran wrote:
Client's CFO briefly apologized and had sent me the payment.
I'm really pleased to hear it got sorted out. It was clearly a massive mess at their end, but they tried to make it your problem. It's human nature . But if you can keep your call and treat it as a business hiccup rather than a personal attack then these things can usually be sorted. After a while, the other partner will start to realise that they could actually end up losing even more by passing the blame and earning themselves a bad reputation along with possible court costs, etc.
Nice to have a happy ending once in a while . | | |
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